PQ Chats with Alcatraz, nunuk and Sock!
Three well known names in the Quake 3 map making community offer advise,
insight and laughs!
This was to be a well organized chat session resulting in a well laid out intervew
article, but none of the attendees would have any of it! There's tons of great info in here..somewhere. Come say "howdy" to
Alcatraz, Sock and nunuk!
*** Now talking in #pappy
(sock) checkin the login features
(Alcatraz) ah, there he is :)
(Pappy-R) good to go!
(Pappy-R) Yo Alc
(Alcatraz) nice to finally meet you in semi-person
(Pappy-R) you too bud :)
(Alcatraz) grr, somebody else is using my nick >:(
(Pappy-R) Can ya put on your full name please? I may just print the log unless we talk sheep
(nunuk) naa alc, leave you other mirc session
(nunuk) if you leave tf, it should be good
(Alcatraz) I was the other guy using my nick
(Pappy-R) nobody ever uses my nick...I mean who the hell would want to
(Pappy-R) OK guys, thanks for coming...and I mean thanks!
(Pappy-R) Can you each take a sec to do a little ditty on how you are and what you do in the community?
(sock) starting with the tricky questions first then
(Pappy-R) you betcha baby!
(nunuk) sock you begin
(Pappy-R) and I want spiritual answers too! ;-)
(Alcatraz) Okay, I run a review site called The Big House (www.planetquake.com/bighouse)...
we do very detailed map reviews on only the best sort of maps. The site is also one of the biggest
repositories of textures around. Oh yeah, and I map a little too. :)
(Pappy-R) Never have a four pound burrito five seconds before an interview!! Just an FYI :-)
(nunuk) damn, no more beer
(Alcatraz) mmm, beer :)
* Pappy-R pops a cold one in defiance
(nunuk) i wanna bud!
(sock) ok, I make maps, textures, skyboxes and currently I've got flu
(sock) Been mapping since duke3d but did not go public with any of my stuff
(sock) was mapping for sin a couple of years ago and friend told me to publish my stuff because he
thought it was good
(Pappy-R) that would explain the lengthy seff-pimp :)
(nunuk) well, first thing, if i make crappy sentences, forgive me, i'm a froggie.. :>
(Pappy-R) I know and forgive you nunuk...at least my french half does :-)
(Alcatraz) Nunuk is the world's first mapping amphibian. God knows how he manipulates the mouse with
those webbed feet.
(nunuk) forgot about my beak?
(Pappy-R) I think I'm still waiting for nunuk's english version :)
(nunuk) have begun mapping around the beginning of 2000
(nunuk) but have been a q1 addict since 96
(nunuk) for a sudden and undefiened reason, i suddenly printed all the tuts i could find on the net
(nunuk) in order to learn rad
(nunuk) it was lika some sort of pers. challenge
(nunuk) since then,
(nunuk) i haven't really stopped
(nunuk) nunuk's frago is mainly talking about space thingies
(nunuk) weird gameplay, i guess
(nunuk) but there is a public for it, and i belong to it
(sock) now I feel like I should have given a longer intro ...
(Alcatraz) we can introduce you sock
(Alcatraz) if you like
(nunuk) er additionnal stuff, i'm 30, married, have a kiddie, and i'm a graphic designer
(Pappy-R) OK guys, just what in the hell do you think brought you to this point. Where your advise,
thoughts on mapping and textures has become popular in the community?
(nunuk) i guess at first you don't really have any plans for that, you just learn the whole stuff,
and try to do your best.... however, i think that mapping with some sorts of "visions" add to the
(nunuk) concerning sock, he's a damn technician
(nunuk) and it helps for sure!
(nunuk) when ttimo is not around, ask socky!
(sock) nunuk, unless spog is handy
(nunuk) yes, sorry , forgot about spog
(Alcatraz) For me, I've been doing reviews for over two years now, first for Q2 and then for Q3.
I think I've gotten a pretty good reputation as having good content in my reviews, and an opinion
most people can respect even if they don;t always agree 100%. So good site content got me here.
* Pappy-R tips hat to spog
(Alcatraz) spog is the tecnical ubermapper
(nunuk) well the good point, (taht few people know,) is that both spog and ttimo can be found in
the same irc channel, tf!
(nunuk) but shhhhh
(nunuk) bighouse is not only about reviews, it's also about poetry
(Alcatraz) The thing that makes Sock and Nunuk well known are their sense of style and design.
Nunuk has this crazy, unconventional, slick euro-modern thing going that you wouldn't think you
could do in a quake map. And sock is just the man when it comes to graphics and backdrops.
(Pappy-R) We're still waiting for an answer on the last question from...sock?
(sock) sorry flu has slowed down my brain and my fingers
(Pappy-R) bad news when I'm confused on question #2 :-)
(nunuk) alc, the reviews you make are passionate
(Pappy-R) let's just catch up and we can roll it out freely.
(Alcatraz) oh, thanks, I thought you meant "There once was a man from the big house..." (limerick)
(Pappy-R) nunuk stop trying to date alc please for a minute :)
(nunuk) very experimental, i love it pappy!
(Alcatraz) if you think you're getting a goodnight kiss, n, you're sadly mistaken :)
(nunuk) i saw my sentence and read it, and then though the same, but too late
(Pappy-R) OK Sock...your turn on"OK guys, just what in the hell do you think brought you to this point.
Where your advise, thoughts on mapping and textures has become popular in the community?"
(sock) answer to question 1, finally did a SP map with Eutectic and tried for a job in the states. Got
turned down so lost interest for a while and then finally found my new home with q3.
(sock) question 2 ... cogs a whirling
(Pappy-R) go sock go! :-)
(Pappy-R) Are we caught up sock or are you having humility issues? :-)
* nunuk thinks sock is writing a book
* Pappy-R thinks sock feels like he licked a book
(sock) yeah ... errr ... question 2, Always been into creating textures and finally got into skyboxes
because of what lloydm did with Ancient Archipelago. Started doing skyboxes like mad and few odd
levels along the way
(sock) sorry was typing
(sock) and searching for lloydm map
* Pappy-R grabs the cardiac paddles and heads toward sock :)
(sock) I know
(Pappy-R) that big freaky eye!
(sock) but his original skybox did inspire me to get terragen and go mad
(sock) no his second one
(nunuk) i guess lloyd was probably one of the first dudes doing serious skyboxes no?
(sock) Ancient Archipelago
(nunuk) for q3
(sock) nunuk, yep
(Pappy-R) hmm...could be. One of the first real shakers
(nunuk) with meatpacks
(Pappy-R) OK, so are we on track? I can wake Alc up now?
* Pappy-R rails Alc again
(Pappy-R) OK guys, lets talk Batcula
(nunuk) alc you crashed?
(nunuk) oh ffirst, about the name
(Pappy-R) I want the story from the originator who hands it to the next person invo9lved and so on. :-)
(sock) then its nunuk to start
(nunuk) well, i began on that map around february or march 2001
(nunuk) i was pretty bothered with the whole thing,
(Alcatraz) sorry, just went and made soup
(Alcatraz) back now
* Pappy-R throws rocks at Alcatraz's monitor
(nunuk) because people never stopped bugging me in order to make REAL levels,
(Alcatraz) ie non-space maps
(nunuk) that means-------------> no space thingies
(Pappy-R) nunuk=surreal :)
(nunuk) so i began thinking about some weird layout
(Pappy-R) like Q3 is real??
(sock) yep, he cornered the space map market
(nunuk) and then, some weeks later,
(Alcatraz) pretty much
(nunuk) i tthough about the fact alc was around, messing into rad
(nunuk) and really the idea of doing some co authors work attracted me
(Alcatraz) so nunuk comes to me and he says he's tired of doing solo work, wanted to know if I would
do weapon placement and look at the layout if he did the rest
(nunuk) so i ask alc about it, and in his spare time, he began wandering around the unfinished layout
(Alcatraz) I saw it and went "wow, I gotta be a part of this!"
(nunuk) pretty abstract to have some sort of visits in unfinished levels via the net
* Pappy-R points out that Alc was drunk at the time
(Alcatraz) we had a few sessions where we walked around the rough layout and talked about what worked
and I made a couple of suggestions-- but basically the layout is all nunuk.
(nunuk) then for about three or four sessions, we visited the map
(nunuk) well, alc had the good idea to modify the ground heights
(nunuk) in order to cut monotonous part of the levels
(nunuk) and we had fun going around, moving brushes here ahd there,
(sock) while this was going on, I was busy getting into producing texture packs. Finally spoke to nunuk
in #tf and asked him to see what he thought of my latest creation. He liked my textures and proceed
to repaint his batcula lvl with em
(Alcatraz) I'm a big vertical freak when it comes to maps
(Pappy-R) I know you are Alc :) That's where we differ
(nunuk) sock is talkin about batcula v2, chiroptera
(nunuk) about batcula, even the name is weird
(nunuk) i wanted to have some sort of abstract name wich woul remain gothic
(Pappy-R) I must point out that the level we're talking about is available in multiple versions
that I'll link to later in this article
(nunuk) well, the adventure is not over yet
(Alcatraz) yeah nunuk comes up with this drawing from a co-worker, he wanted to name the map after it
(Pappy-R) sorry, didn't mean to brak you off nunuk.
(Alcatraz) it's kind of a quirky young monster
(nunuk) there could be some othrer versions released, but i would not have any contributions in it$
(nunuk) np pappy
(Alcatraz) and we sat around and brainstormed about possible names. What were some of our trial
(nunuk) we though about the bat, but then how could we make an original name out of a bat!
(Alcatraz) stuff like that.
(nunuk) and then, as soon as alc found batcula, i had a revelation... lol
(Alcatraz) I was just doing word plays, and blammo-- batcula.
(Pappy-R) made me spill my beer...DIE! :)
(Alcatraz) btw, I love that egyptian version of the batcula drawing. Too good.
(nunuk) yea, some friends did that
(Pappy-R) yes, how did the new drawings come into it?
(nunuk) oh by the way pappy, i know it may not be the right place, because of the commercial product, but
(nunuk) but i must state that i have been working and doing the aitd4 designs for about three eyars
(nunuk) (alone in the dark 4) that is
(Pappy-R) Kool and that's appropriate as far as I'm concerned :)
(nunuk) talking about it because it surely must have influenced my mapping in some way
(nunuk) though it is not fps related :>
(Pappy-R) you're a sick, sick man nunuk and we all have accepted it :)
(nunuk) it's a fact that concerning mapping, there's no use acc to me, to redo stuff that a huge
amount of mappers have already done
(nunuk) i mean, there are so many awesome stuff out there, it's a fact
(nunuk) for my little own contribution,
(Alcatraz) I don't think we'd ever accuse you of being conventional, nunuk :)
(nunuk) i think a bit like alc
(Pappy-R) I know, there's just a ton of quality stuff out there a nd a recent rash of pro hires
from the communtiy, especially PQ hosted projects
(nunuk) alcatraz tried to promote the use of new texture packs
(nunuk) in order to see new atmospheres
(Pappy-R) What's on the boards for all of you next?
(nunuk) damn if i had more time, i'd be some sort of charon clone or somthing
(Alcatraz) well, I'm working on alc3dm2-- sock is doing some kickass textures, and nunuk is
consulting on layout and gameplay.
(Alcatraz) plus the usual reviews and my new job.
(Pappy-R) can I do gameplay alc? :-)
(Alcatraz) sure, I'll sling you a beta copy if you like...
(Pappy-R) Does anyone know what Q3 map I did do gameplay on?
(nunuk) i'm preparing a space map righ now, but not that type of thingie where you fall from
the edge every minute
(Alcatraz) er, that PQ arena (a guess)?
(Pappy-R) yes Alc!
(nunuk) hmmm tricky question
(Pappy-R) Damn! He got it :)
(Alcatraz) Try and slip one by me, will ya! :)
(Pappy-R) Sock nod off?
* Alcatraz prods sock
(sock) nay just listening
(Pappy-R) Sock...skyboxes, you've got'em in spades and I want to know why you went heavy in that
direction as opposed to just textures.
(sock) ummm, skyboxes seemed like more of a challenge at the time. Really got into terragen and
tried to push it as hard as I could and try and use all the features.
(sock) eventually released some old textures I had lying around called gothic extra's.
(nunuk) the good idea is to release skyboxes connected to the texture sets
(nunuk) in fact, skyboxes and tex packs aren't that far from one another
(Pappy-R) indeed! His last release was stellar!
(Pappy-R) Quite the package deal
(sock) then did a medieval texture set which was more involved than the gothic extras. Each
texture set really is a progression for me.
(Pappy-R) Our latest LotW ran with that one nicely
(nunuk) killaz one
(nunuk) yea we had fun in this one in beta
(sock) I knew about that one last month
(Alcatraz) yeah, It's my featured review next week, played it with the guys last night
(nunuk) did duel in it, it's a fine map
(Pappy-R) Here's a thought. What if some guy grabs a texture pack ya made and make a real dog
of a map. Would you comment on it?
(sock) before I released the latest texture pack egyptian, I gave it to several mappers I know
so that they could produce maps with it. It was good for beta testing as well
(Pappy-R) There's a scoop for ya people, we know what Alc's next feature is!
(nunuk) pappy, you mean if some dude makes a bad level out of the pack?
(sock) pappy-r, probably would not comment, if pushed would say something diplomatic.
(Pappy-R) yes nunuk, and thanks sock :-)
(sock) nothing worse than shooting someone down in flames because they produce something not
to your liking.
(nunuk) well there is always a way to talk about a level with positive comments, even if it's
(nunuk) that's what i do all day !!! rofl
(Alcatraz) you and me both
(nunuk) i mean at work
(sock) ummm, I'm contractor, so have to grin and bear it
(Pappy-R) OK, so nunuk, you had a real "touch" when you hit the scene. I remember seeing KH
and then Distoniuc and thought they were wonderfully different. What would you attribute your
style to and please don't say medication AGAIN :)
(nunuk) well, i have to amdit that the distonic pack eh!
(nunuk) hellchick talked about kh on quake3world i remember that
(nunuk) and she wanted it to become lotw
(Pappy-R) Hellchick was eaten by a rabid elk, let's move on. :-)
(nunuk) and then i suppose a bunch of dudes liked the level, probably because only a few had
tried to make some sorts of air play like in dm17
(nunuk) received quite some mails at the time
(nunuk) well, to be more precise
(Alcatraz) I remember seeing KH for the first time and saying "What in the hell is this? And
has this guy made any more?!"
(nunuk) i think my idea concerning levels is pretty ..... weird
* Pappy-R chants Hellchick
(nunuk) i see a dm level as some sort of sphere
(sock) yeah what happened to her
(Pappy-R) ask her yourself bud :)
(sock) ok :)
(nunuk) you sometimes move from the center of the sphere, but you always come back in the
middle of it in order to fight
* Pappy-R chants Hellchick
(nunuk) i guess that's the way my maps work
(Pappy-R) is that where the curved accell pads came from? This circular idea?
(nunuk) if you look at them, there is always a very centralised jum pad in the middle
(nunuk) er no that's different
(nunuk) the concept came in kleskonian curves
*** Hellchick has joined #pappy
(sock) yo Hellchick
(nunuk) hey hellchick!
(Alcatraz) hey there HC!
(Hellchick) hey :)
(Pappy-R) Now ask her sock :)
* Hellchick wonders, "ask me what?"
(nunuk) i was in my office, with one of my friends, talking about that jum pad invention
(sock) so hellchick, what happened to u ?
(Hellchick) I was abducted by aliens.
(Hellchick) You mean with GameSpy and stuff?
(sock) really, so how's your level coming on ?
(Pappy-R) I've been using the eaten by a rabid elk story HC :)
(Hellchick) it's still going on -- I got it critiqued at QuakeCon, so that was COOL
(Hellchick) oh yeah, THAT happened last year, Pappy/.
(Alcatraz) yeah good luck on your first release
(Pappy-R) sorry nunuk
(Hellchick) Gotta finish the map still -- just haven't had time.
(Hellchick) Thanks. :)
(Hellchick) I'm itching to get to the other map I want to do
(Hellchick) so I need to finish it.
(nunuk) np :>
(Hellchick) so how are you guys doing?
(sock) HC, I hope the textures worked out ok
(Alcatraz) the cleanup and error checking isn't as nearly as fun as design and decoration :)
(nunuk) fiiiine kid is sleeping, so nothing could be better
(Pappy-R) You let HER have your textures Sock?!
(Hellchick) Sock: they did! Thanks so much for the help/
(Hellchick) And Jaquays LOVED the skybox.
(Pappy-R) Remember my earlier question? :)
(sock) pappy-r, special one's as well
(Hellchick) Alc: that's why I'm so slow. LOL
(Hellchick) The error check and cleanup is tough.
(Pappy-R) She's special, but don't tell anyone I said it. :-)
(Hellchick) Last time someone called me "special" I found myself in the "special" part of class. Hmmph!
(Pappy-R) but that helmet was niiiice HC :)
(Hellchick) You level dsigners sure have more of my respect than before, that's for sure.
(Hellchick) I know. They had to get me a new one, though.
(Hellchick) ba-dum CHING
(Pappy-R) This is a live interview HC...printing the log :)
(Pappy-R) say hi
* Hellchick looks for the camera.
(nunuk) hc, make a * before your sentence, and pappy-r will close an eye on it
(Pappy-R) Not for her! :)
(Hellchick) *what do you mean?
(nunuk) * i wanna beer
(Hellchick) * hmmmm...
(Alcatraz) *I met the president today
(Pappy-R) LOL! That only works for me.
(Hellchick) sock, I checked out your latest skybox the other day -- excellent stuff.
(sock) which one ?
* Alcatraz smiles for no reason.
(sock) released two
(Pappy-R) Where we we before we were so nicely interupted? :-)
(Hellchick) the reddish one...can't remember the name...
(sock) dustball, got bal to thank for the title
* Hellchick -- Interruption Extraordinaire.
(Hellchick) yeah, dustball!
(nunuk) i must have found myslef talking like higgins or something :>
(sock) I really enjoyed making dustball, did some new stuff in that one
(Pappy-R) So Hellchick, gimme your impressions of this lot individually. :-)
(Hellchick) hmm, let's see...
(Pappy-R) and NOT ME!
(Alcatraz) this ought to be interesting
(nunuk) *blabla back in 1981, mappin was in hits prehistoric ages, blabla
(Hellchick) sock: quiet, always helped me out with textures
(Hellchick) Alcatraz: runs a kickass site on PQ that I go to all the time
(Hellchick) nunuk: I bow before his mapping skillz!
(Alcatraz) excellent, thanks much
(nunuk) oh merci madame!
(sock) thats me alright. :)
(Hellchick) I love sock's skyboxes and textures, too.
(Pappy-R) We decided nunuk was just a sicko BTW HC. You missed the vote :)
(nunuk) weirdo would be better :>
(Pappy-R) the other two have talent and nunuk is looking for a cure :-)
(Alcatraz) He's french, we all know how wild and crazy they are! Anybody who drives a
renault has to be certifiable
(nunuk) yes! words can be tricky!
(Pappy-R) Could be worse...a Yugo!
(Hellchick) I'm French! Can't you tell by my out-RAGEOUS accent!
(Alcatraz) Alc3dm2 working title: Le Map
(Pappy-R) LOL @ Alc
* nunuk slaps alc!
(nunuk) renault rock! lol
(Hellchick) Is that anything like Le Car? (remember THAT?)
(Hellchick) I'm probably too old when I say I remember Le Car
* Alcatraz points at hellchick for getting the joke
(Alcatraz) you rock
(Hellchick) hehehe ;)
(Pappy-R) I don't remember (humming)
(Hellchick) They referenced that on That 70's Show last night, cracked me UP
(Alcatraz) I actually remember the 70's, I am ashamed to admit
(Hellchick) Alc: how old are you? I'm 29, so the 80
(Hellchick) s were my main decade
(Hellchick) (silly enter key)
(Hellchick) Alc: I'm with Activision now,
(Pappy-R) PUPPIES! I'm surrounded by puppies!
(Hellchick) working on promo for Wolfenstein.
(Hellchick) I work with id a lot for that.
(nunuk) rofl pappy
(Hellchick) Yeah, it's great, I really like it.
(nunuk) wolf rocks
(Hellchick) You like? I like the multiplayer a lot.
(Pappy-R) the big 4-O next month
(Hellchick) Single player is wicked.
(Hellchick) Whoa, no way Pappy!
(nunuk) been playing around two hours everyday
(Pappy-R) trick or trout!
(Alcatraz) hc: you gonna fix us all up on pre-release copies? I'll be your love slave if you will....
(Hellchick) LOL, if I can, I will!
(Hellchick) But I don't want to make promises my butt can't deliver, so don't hold me to that. LOL
(Pappy-R) I already got her covered for massages...but I have to do sludge too! :-(
(Alcatraz) making promises to a lawyer. not smart.
(Pappy-R) Hi to Len BTW bud!
(Hellchick) I'll tell him you said that when he's home soon :)