Roly poly e-mail.. And sweet sassy molassy, did we get a lot of it this week! Tons of mail came in regarding Lee'Mon's editorial, and I've had to read all of it. I didn't think it was physically possible for my eyes to get tired, but I think they are. But I digress. We've got an action packed PQ Mailbag for you this week, with a whole page each for Lee'Mon's editorial and The Gauntlet, and a third page of odds, ends, and Graeme Devine. And it's all just a little bit of history repeating..
There I go, inventing words again. Lee'Mon had some words for all the trash talking l33t h4x0r types this week in his amazing editorial "A Return To Netiquette". Many intelligent responses were cultivated, and here they are for your reading pleasure.
From: hawkeye MI
Subject: Feedback on the editorial about l337 kW@kr d00d's, etc...
There is a solution to the problem addressed in the
editorial. It is not, however, easy or for one person
The whole situation has arisen for one reason and one
reason only. Stupid people. I do not say this
jokingly. Back in "the day" (yeah i know...) when I
really got into computer games, there was Quake. Now,
any of you who have ever installed a mod for Quake
one, tweaked configuration files, messed with GLQuake,
or anything of the like know that you had to know at
least a *little* about how to operate a computer.
Stupid people aren't good at that. Also, with all the
effort required to get online (set-up, etc...) and
stay there comfortably, some dedication to the game
Now, when I started playing FPS's quite a bit, I was
probably, oh, 13 or 12 or something. I had heard some
negative comments about how annoying younger players
were, but I did none of the things these people were
said to do. I thought there were, perhaps, only a few
such cases, and for the most part I was right. The
above troubles sort of weeded out morons. That is no
longer the case. Any twit with a computer can easily
get online now. Scratch that barrier. Ever used the
menu in Quake III Arena? Scratch the ease-of-use
barrier. Need to invest lots of money in a 3D
accelerator / system hardware? Not anymore. Now I go
to the local Gamer's Conclave for some low-ping LAN
fragging and discover a bunch of whiney little middle
school kids who play Counter-Strike like deathmatch,
and scream "I r00l j00!" verbally rather than
bothering to type it in. They have been allowed easy
access. When easy access is opened, stupid people get
in. It is that way in any sport, (yes i count
deathmatch as a sport), some more than others. It is
so bad at that LAN that I just go home and play on my
56k, awaiting the DSL that will probably never reach
this hellhole i just moved to. (sorry about the rant.)
But that's okay too.
Ah, those people who whine all the time. You know, I
always sort of looked at slightly higher ping as an
advantage, in that once I excelled on a server despite
my ping, it gained respect. The game is a challenge,
which cheating eliminates, and therefore eliminates
the point of the game. I look at lag the same way.
(well, until it his 500 or so... then i just say screw
I said something about a remedy. Here it is. Just as
with campers, this problem has to be treated with a no
holds barred kamikaze type dedication, coupled with
skill. The best way to root out a cheater (on a
server) or a whiner or whatever is to go after him
exclusively. If all *good* players in the community
followed this example, i think these idiots would mend
their ways rather quickly. Imagine this scenario.
You are on a server, and some l337 d00d is whining
about his connection/spamming/being an arsehole. If
there was a recognition of this by aforesaid *good*
players, and everyone stopped killing each other for a
moment and just went after him until he stopped/left,
i think the problem would be solved quickly. The
ability to identify players on sight built into most
new games would facilitate this easily.
Finally, in order to make all this possible,
PRACTICE!! I know not everyone has all the time in
the world to practice, and it is not as fun, but the
best way to be able to eliminate these people is to go
play Q3A with the hardest difficulty bots for a while
so they beat you really bad. I owe my l337 $k|llz
(j/k) to some old Level 3 ReaperBots.
Cooperation is the key. Let's keep the community
together, make an effort. HawkeyeMI out.
Hellchick: Actually, I had a better idea as soon as
I read your theory on stupid people, but unfortunately the
law frowns on that kind of thing.
From: Rick 'r3tina' Laman
Subject: A return to...plain old fun
I hope Lee'mon was exaggerating enormously, and wrote this piece just to
get some people to mail about it, 'cause it didn't make any sense.
His little introduction to so-called hax0rspeak is completely true as
far as I can see it, but if I can remember correctly, the first time I
ever saw this hax0rscript actually being used was...on PlanetQuake. I
don't know who started this (it could've been Fargo...) but at the time
no-one seemed to have a problem with it.
Why I think this article is absolute nonsense? Well, to begin I'm a
member of a 'clan' called the pr0nMaster Quake Clan. Or, as Lee'Mon
would call it, a '[..] wannabe clan, those that hammer on the Taunt key,
and our more annoying newbies'. I'm sure those types of people are
extremely annoying (and sometimes they are) but the reason we called our
clan (it's not really a clan but more a group of friends who organize
LAN-parties once every 3 months or so) the pr0nMaster Quake Clan is
because it's all a JOKE. Ha><0rscript is not something to take
seriously, and it's absolutely not a way to say 'I'm a elite hacker,
blah blah blah'. It's just something you can use for the fun of it,
nothing more, nothing less. We don't take ourselves seriously (at least
not our l33t h4><0r sk1llz), and simply play Quake because of the fun of
it. And it doesn't matter if that's online, at a LAN-party or against a
bunch of bots. It's simply good fun, and it's supposed to stay that way.
For the rest of the article, I agree mostly to the pieces about cheaters
and the trashtalk you can encounter. I don't think there's much anyone
can do about that. The Internet has become more and more a 'public
area', with all the annoyances that come with it. It's a shame, but it's
not something which is easily changed.
Oh, and by the way, Lee'mon states in his article (quote) '...and
knowing someone who was making a mod was like knowing somebody
famous...'. While I don't know anyone who's making a mod, I was very
proud when my map was featured on ..::Lvl (and thus on the frondpage of
PQ). So it's not like 'the good old days' are completely gone. I for one
still think that being part (more or less) of the gaming community is
I hope Lee'Mon's next editorial will be a bit more positive.
Rick 'r3tina' Laman (and r3tina is spelled with a 3 because Retina was
already taken at Yahoo!...)
Hellchick: Wow, to think that PQ was the instigator
of all things h4X0ring...that's just rad. I'm going to therefore
attempt to start a new trend and see how quickly it catches
on. I'm not sure what it will be yet, except that it will
probably involve chickens. Possibly waffles as well.
From: Douglas Petranoff
Subject: Lee'mon's Editorial
Here's a possible poll question..
Which of the following "arsehole" groups ,which Lee'mon describes in his editorial, does Lee'mon himself fit into?
A.) L337 h0x3r d00dz
B.) Whining Llamas
E.) Script Kiddies/Spammers
And the answer is obviously?
B.) Whining Llamas
Lee'mon needs to take his own advice as SHUT THE FUCK UP! All these groups ruin the game only because Lee'mon allows them too.
As he says, it's just a game. The hacker speak is annoying but so blatantly obvious that it is actually humorous.
As for the guys that whiners/ well for every finger you point Lee'mon, three point back at yourself.
As for the Cheaters, since you pointed out that losing is not that big a deal and that people need to suck it up when they lose, then who cares. If the other player cheats to win, have the REALLY won? Obviously no. Besides that, the mod community is actively fighting this and there are anticheat measures out there, so play on servers without them, but don't complain about people cheating, as you said, it will do little good.
As for the braggarts, answer them with your skills, if you cannot, ignore their taunts. Afterall it is Just a Game.
As for script Kiddies and Spammers, the spammers can be ignored and there are few if any scripts that can perform any task with the perfection that a skilled player can. Again, If you opponent needs that crutch, you're still the better player. Since we're just having fun, it is alot like giving a friend a handicap in a friendly game of golf.
I think if Lee'mon we're to spend less time whining about these assholes, his perception would change and at the very least those bad dreams would go away.
3y3 f00kin 0wn j00 with my ph4t zbot 4nd qu4d t1m3r, j00 whining llama!
How does not complaining about something change your perceptions
about it? If I stop complaining about Col. Grossman and his
legion of moral do-gooders, they're still ignorant jerks.
From: Lee David
Subject: A Return to Netiquette / feedback
I think you guys forgot a group
Hyper-emotional antisocial moaning wussies
These are the dudes who think they are the world because their mostly
veterans in the community who for some reason didn't manage to emotionally
deal with the newbies. These people expect almost anyone they don't know to
drop down on their knees and start begging for mercy, if they don't they'll
just be rated ass arses for some pathetic reason (mostly just invented
because they can't find a proper reason).
I've been playing since the launch of Wolfenstein and (thanx to our crappy
internet providers) joined into the online community in the time of Q2. I've
totally humiliated many people in combat, but also suffered the same losses.
I've seen lot's of different enemies, great fraggers, campers, cheaters,
spammers, wannabees. Some where good, some were a pain in the arse, others
just got fragged, but I still more or less could understand the situation of
each of them and tolerate them all, except the cheaters that is.
What I never could accept were the guys who don't like cussing, using
keybinded words and agressive behaviour. It get's even worse when these
people start wanting to bring up trash talk in game. I remember meeting a
clan on the net, because it wasn't the first time we met me and my clanmates
decided to start a clanwar against them. At first all was fun, we were
swearing and having fun, until I told that my clan will kick his clans arse
(hoping to keep up the status of clanwar, because it's fun). Heavily
insulted he started complaining to me about my agressive behavior, WTF is
this, did I hurt his feelings or what¿ can't he sleep at night anymore
because of me¿ Is he affraid I'd beat him up¿ What the hell is with these
touchy people, are they also insulted when they lose against a bot like
Klesk, Hunter or Visor who all have screaming or laughing taunts¿ I don't
wanna know how the community would look if there were only these people,
probably weapons in Quake would get replace with flowers or a hand for
playing catch or hide and seek.
I'm not telling people to act like assholes in real life, when I meet people
@ LAN's I'm also social, but not when I'm playing, that's where I get rid of
Anyway that's my opinion, the Quake communities is OK, and those who really
are Arses mostly don't stand a chance anyway, else they would be proud of
their name and stop laming.
Hellchick: I'm just the opposite -- I like to say
that stuff in real life so people are really afraid
From: Peter Schittler
Subject: Lee'Mon's A Return to Netiquette editorial
Where can I sign it, where can I sign it?
Well-done stuff from PQ again. You're proving that PQ is the main authority
re online gameplay and not just one of the big download sites with some
Lee'Mon actually is touching a subject which is giving governments around
the world tons of headaches:
How to give the community maximum freedom while not limiting individual
freedom because some individuals abuse this freedom?
If you check real life, then you'll see that it was practically impossible
to solve that matter so far.
Is it impossible to find a solution for the Quake community too?
I'd still say no - we have some chances.
Pappy-R was right when he said he leaves those servers. I do as well. In my
online neighborhood, I know where the good servers are and which ones not to
hop on. Freedom of choice is our strongest weapon. A server not used by all
is a server that dies - or concentrates all those folks we don't feel belong
to us; I can live with both ways. But as an unused server usually won't make
the admin proud, can we add some oil to the fire? Would it be a good idea to
put up a special page on PQ with a form-letter where everybody just has to
fill in the server's address, an admin-e-mail and off the mail goes to the
server owner, telling him that his server - pardon me! - sucks? Putting this
on a group effort (without the need to build up lists 'cause that could lead
to abuse as well) with the same letter to every admin could cause some
So what should these poor admins do then? Hm. If I had a server and may
happen to be online when some fella spits out his unnecessary stuff, I'd
kick him/her immediately. Freedom and democracy ok, but on my server the
community would not suffer from a destructive individual. So is there a way
to make this task easier for admins?
Well, dear coders, you have been very active about bot detection. Why not,
to talk about the guys who tell poor Lee'Mon he sucks, code some _generally
usable_ code every mod author could add which scans the text messages and
compares them with an admin-adjustable text file containing those 'dirty'
words? I mean, none of us ever will have the reason to use words and phrases
like "You suck", "motherfucker", "asshole", etc. (Even if we feel that way,
we won't go to the same level, right?). Why not brutally kicking everyone
off who uses these words (and not too surprising, the vocabulary of these
people is rather small).
You may feel this is a step to drastical (note: PQ folks, correct me if my
English may not be proper in all places! It's not my mother language), but,
as said right at the top, I feel there is a point where actions have to be
taken to secure the freedom and fun for those who stick to the rules. If
that may mean limiting the 'rights' of those who abuse the friendliness we
generally offer everyone, well, ok, fine with me.
After all, I _know_ that I simply leave a server where I don't feel at home.
I feel at home if I win and if I lose although I like the first more, I
admit. The only reason to chat for me is to greet people (well, my momma
told me you just say hello if you enter or leave a room *g*) and to
congratulate some guy on a perfect shot - even if I was the target. Sending
over "great shot, pallie!" makes the whole place smile, I know this.
Ok, as they say, just my 2c.
Finally, I urge PQ to put their fingers on the wounds of the community again
and again. Keep up the good work!
Hellchick: I'm with Pappy on this one. Just leave
the server if you don't like it. Lord knows people do it when
I jump on. Er, wait...
From: Alex Leonard
Subject: Response to: A Return to Netiquette
And lo did Lee'Mon open his mouth and spew forth such pearls of wisdom that
the Quake community was bathed in the light of revelation!
I don't think I could say enough great things about what Lee'Mon has said
in this editorial, he's said it all. I know that I have been driven away
from playing online as often as I used to (And my skizzles[sic] have
suffered greatly!) preferring to play at LAN parties where I know everyone,
and I know that people aren't going to be whining, cheating, spamming,
hax0rsp33king (Except in the occasional jest ;)
I live in fear of real-time voice communication in Team Fortress 2. I live
in fear in general of individual user defined content like the decals in
Half-Life. Most of them are just designed to be offensive. Rarely do I find
someone using a decal other than something like: "You Suck! wh0r3s!" Or
something like that.
I wish there was more that could be done about such behavior, you can't
exactly send someone to the principals office in the middle of a game to
"Think about what they've done" and if they get booted/banned from a
server, it's not so big a deal because there's plenty of other servers out
there for them to annoy people on. Going through a "screening process" and
slapping a password on all the servers so that you know there's nobody on a
particular server who's using a bot, or is going to whine seems really
extreme, and too much of a hassle.
The fact remains that over the internet, everyone is fairly safe behind
their monitor and miles of cables. A lot of people don't realize that
they're really interacting with other people. I can almost guarantee that
if you were sitting across the table from these people, close enough to
clock them in the head, they'd behave themselves. ;)
Well before Lee'Mon busts in with his feedback, I'll give mine. Holy poop. 124 e-mails on this one subject. That's got to be a record, or damn near it. Lee'Mon has reached his pinnacle here; I don't recall an editorial having touched the community so much as this one has. Anyways.. I'll tell people they suck and spout h4x0r 5p33k at them, but only when I'm playing my friends, on a private server. There I find it absolutely fine. I use it for humor purposes only. On public servers, I just shut the hell up. I ignore things other people say, for the most part, except when they say, "Hey, you're that really cool Spyke guy from PQ, right?" Then I tell them of course I am. Sometimes it's hard to ignore taunting bastards, but I, personally, have found them to be a rarity; I guess I just live around considerate people. It's hard to get smack-talkers to change, but I hope a lot of them read this editorial and wake up.
Lee'Mon: While I counted all those emails, and made every effort to read most of them, I didn't have to pour over them as thoroughly as Spyke did. Let's see if he ever complains about not getting feedback again! Mwah hah hah, MWAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!!! [blinks] Whoops... is this thing still on?M
Yes, I'm fully aware that the worst thing llamas can do is get your goat, and that's something you can control. You didn't see me swearing off multiplayer or anything, so don't worry too much. It is sad to see, however, that some of the most prominent members of our community (at least in the servers) are the most annoying ones. I sincerely hope that it is an age and immaturity thing, because that gives the best hope that it'll clear up in the future. Perhaps the gaming community just needs to expand to include more parents... ;^)
Anyhow, the editorial was designed to bring in more feedback than I normally get, but I never expected this much. I guess I'll have to be careful with this newfound feedback power... I must use it for good and not eeeevil. [brings pinky finger to mouth]
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