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    PQ | Features | Mailbag | August 11, 2000
   

PQ Mailbag

Back To Normal

Well, we actually had enough mail this week to warrant a return to the oh-so-popular three page Mailbag, so that's what you'll get. Um, I don't know what to fill the rest of this paragraph up with, now that I've pretty much stated what this week's Mailbag is all about. Crap. Um, everyone likes the licky licky? It worked for Fargo.

No Boys Allowed

This week in the PQ News, we got word that the CPL is running an all-female Q3A tournament in the future. We've touched on female-only events before, so this was a prime subject for the Mailbag. In the news, Pappy questioned:

Why is there a seperate tournament for women if a community without sexual bias has always been said to be the goal?

Is there a general "skill level" difference requiring a seperate tournament?

With that thought in mind, people answered. Check out their comments!

From: Jonathan Hopkins
Subject: female tourney

although the goal is to have a community with no sexual bias u know this will never happen. It seems that women gamers that are serious about gaming are few and far between. For this reason there is a lack of extremely talented pro gaming females. Yes i know there *are* some women gamers that are damn good. Kornelia comes to mind at this moment. Having a female only tourney is kind of like having a press tourney. You get all of them in one place and everyone is amazed that girls play quake3 and some of them are actually good. People just generally percieve gaming as a totally male dominted sport and while there are a lot more guys then girls playing i wouldn't say they dominate. So wrapping it up...

"Why is there a seperate tournament for women if a community without sexual bias has always been said to be the goal?" - Personally i think this is an impossible goal... people will always be treated different by someone.

"Is there a general "skill level" difference requiring a seperate tournament?" In a sense.. yes. With not near as many female gamers about there are not as many talented gamers. Usually they get knocked out of tournies in the ffa's or early 1on1's. Of course a lot of other players get knocked out here also (me included).

shaggy--

From: harrier-the-bean
Subject: Segregation

I wrote in to hellchicks recent editorial on a similar tourney, and I wrote to CPLs forums, and now I write to you. This has been my favorite soap box for years, but before it was just the creation of 'female games', mostly by males (though not always, see Riana Rouge). The fact that women are behind the segregation makes me sweat.

I haven't ever seen a black person in the media say, "give us our own sections on the bus!". Why are women opting to seperate themselves? Seperate events were created in sporting events and the like to allow women entrance into a field where they were previously not allowed. Women have never been discriminated against in games. If an all male tournament were held, all hell would break loose. Until we hold ourselves to the standards we hold men to, equality can not be acheived.

Whats next? All black tourneys? All gay tourneys? I posed the question to my male gamer friends and they all had cynical reponses such as, "Women are seperate in all physical sports. WNBA, etc. Coordination is needed in games, and women just can't compete physically, they don't have the coordination that men do." "Women can't handle the stress and high tense energies men have in games. They need to play in an arena where men aren't swearing and saying crude things, where the pace i slower".

This is the message that Angel and the crew are sending. That women can't compete in regular tournaments and need their own. My forum posting to cpl read, " ... As a female gamer, I hold my own just fine. I don't need a powder puff pink mouse and cute fluffy bunnies for cursors to play. Segregation is segregation, and it's unneeded. [...] I sure as hell don't need to be treated special in a playing field where physical build has no meaning, and identity is normally anonymous."

As someone who worked in the industry previously, and might again someday, I really really hesitated on sending all of these letters. I could create a reputation that might hurt me in the industry. But I won't stand down from something I believe in this strongly. If it hurts me, but helps our soceity become one without boundaries based on genetic differences, I don't care. I am a gamer. Not a female gamer, not a 5'6" gamer, not a gamer who likes to drink coke.

All I can say is stop bringing segregation into one of the few fields where it never existed before.

From: Mark R
Subject: Separate tourn. for female players.

A top quake female player stands absolutely no chance against a top male player, accept the facts and stop with this politically correct bullshit allright.

From: Joe Quigley
Subject: Female Toruny

Hey,

I just wanted to say I agree with you. I am not a female, but I dont see why we need seperate tournies?? I've been 0wned by a number of women in Quake (Killcreek and HellChick come to mind), and cant see why we need to be seperated. Personally, I think we should be kept together so I have a better chance of meeting a "gaming freindly" girlfriend!! :)

Also, why do the women only get $2,000?? Didnt Fatality just win $40000?? Isnt the payscale a bit off??

Oh well, questions I think will never be answered......

have a good one :),

joe

From: Essobie
Subject: (no subject)

"Why is there a seperate tournament for women if a community without sexual bias has always been said to be the goal?"

For the same reason there is are separate female billiards contests or female chess tournaments in existance. If you can figure out that reason, let me know.

Is there a general "skill level" difference requiring a seperate tournament?

You'd think that there wasn't, or that those involved would want to believe that there is not. Unfortunately all I've been hearing recently (from both males and females) on the subject is the exact opposite. For some reason, as much as the world wants to say "men and women should be treated as equals" they instantly want to point out non-biological differences between the genders that basically make treating the two equally in many situations.

Frankly I think game playing is NOT one of these situations, and a female only tournament just sounds silly to me. Not because I feel left out as a male Quake player that doesn't think it's fair, but because that just makes the participants say "we are females and can't possibly compete with the enourmous adolecent boy Quake player contengent, so we need to have a girls only event so we can get paid as Quake players too."

I'm sorry, but if you are going to have any set of rules for a game, everyone needs to play by those rules. If the top 10, top 50, or top 100 players in any given game are guys, then that's just the way it is. I think what people are afraid of is that seeing a ranking of players in any competition that has women competing, but none showing in top rankings will lead people to the assumption that women are not good players of that particular game.

I think that's just stupidity at it's most base form. ANYONE can practice playing Quake for 10+ hours a day and win tournaments, no matter what they have in their pants.

Essobie

Wow, and just when my opinion of professional gaming was beginning to turn around, this happens. I've publicly expressed my views on segregation before. Separating men from women is futile, and will only lead to more views like "stop with this PC bullshit, men can beat women any day". We don't need any more of that. If I were the CPL, I'd wise up, because this will end up biting you in the ass, especially since the payout for the all-female tourney is a paltry sum compared to the general tourneys. This is insane.

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