From : Zurvan
Subject : Have ???
Have the drunken monkey ever typed the great works of Shakespeare on old
Sadly the best they've ever managed is an issue of the PlanetQuake Mailbag.
I think these monkeys are duds. They've been sat in front of those typewriters
for almost a year now, and this is the best they can do? What the hell is
wrong with them?
PS my brain has left me sitting here.
Can't say I blame it...
And now .. "let's get onnnnnnnn with the killing".
The newbie debate is still going on. We've been flooded with another
deluge of mail, and that's just the ones asking how to use the grapple...
Here are a few of the more interesting ones -
From : Darwin Hauser
Subject : Right on the money.
Boy, your article sure said it all. I'm just starting to play multi-player
QuakeII, so I'm getting my butt kicked a lot. But I'm learning, and I'm
getting better. Unfortunatley, when asking fellow gamers questions I've
been getting a lot of exactly what you said. Insults and cursing.
Apparently, a lot of people out there never learned any manners. They sure
seem to think that they are much more important than anyone else. I pity them.
Perhaps when they get a little bit older (in either age or maturity), they'll
see things differently. Perhaps not, and they will constantly get the same
treatment in return. However, it wont change me. There will always be some
who treat others with respect as well. I'm glad to know there are at least
a few more of us. Thanks for your article.
From : Dave
Subject : Editorial: Newbies
Ya know, it's seems like every time there's an article up about the Quake
Community anymore, it seems like it trashs the veterans. It always portrays
the newbies as helpless, naive, friendly, or polite. For the most part, I
think this is true. Most of the newbies I have encountered have been very
polite, and in return I am polite back to them. But I have to say two
things: (1) Not every newbie is nice, and (2) Not every veteran is an
Whenever I log on to a server featuring a new mod, until I learn the basics
of the mod (it helps to view the readme.txt, it can save lots of time), I
try to stay out of the way. If I totally don't understand something then I
ask about it, and usually someone will provide an adequate answer.
Every once in a while, I'll encounter an asshole newbie, somebody who is
pissed b/c no one will answer their questions. This is very rare though,
and it's usually when they're asking a question like "How do I jump?" or
"How do I change weapons?"
If you have to ask these questions, don't wait until you're already playing.
Read the manual, that's what it is for.
From : Deadeye
Subject : Breaking The Cycle
i think a big part of the poor treatment of newbies is due to the
complexity of the game. if there were no functions in the game that
_required_ the console, it would eliminate 90% of newbie problems. of
course, vets can use the console all they want, but newbies could use
the menus to set up whatever they wanted, without having to ask how to
work the console. i think this is the direction carmack is heading w/ q3
and i think it will solve a lot of problems.
From : Kyo
Subject : Newbies
Yeah, we're all newbies once. That's a given. And, though I haven't played
in a while, this whole thing struck something of a nerve in me. I was one of
the few people (that I knew) that even tried to help out newbies.
But, see, there's a flip side to this too. Picture this, you jump on a
server, get a few quick frags, and then realize: THESE PEOPLE SUCK.
So you start trying to help 'em. You tell 'em not to crouch so much.
You tell them why their camping is bad (yeah, that's a whole other
subject, I know.)
Usual response? "Shut the fuck up. Goddamn expert. Fuck you."
Really? This is what I get for helping people? Hrm. Lots of reward
So, you proceed to show them WHY these things suck. You plant a few
rockets in their favorite hidie-hole. You circle strafe their slow-ass,
crouching soon-to-be-corpses. As you do this, you reiterate to them
what they're doing wrong.
And, usually, get more abuse. It's almost like they're defending their
right to suck. Call me weird, but if someone offers me a tip, I take
it. At this point, you get pissed off and bail the server, and go someplace
where the people have a clue.
Now, notice at no point did I ever talk about talking smack on newbies.
That's rude and pointless. You kicked a newbies ass? What's next, are
you going to kick a few puppies to stroke your ego? Sorry, but I'm not
impressed. There's no excuse for that type of behavior.
What's the solution? I don't know. The problem seems to me to be a
general lack of maturity in a good portion of the Quake community,
though I hate saying that. If the 'vets' would just get over the ego
trip, and the newbies would lose the chip on their shoulders, maybe some
compromise could be reached.
But I'm not holding my breath.
From : buttmuncher
Subject : breaking the cycle
Quake II is a visually violent game, and I suppose people get caught up in the
here-and-now and don't realize that they are being turds. I agree that jerks
make more jerks. However, it doesn't have to be that way. Rather than focusing
the attitude on the newbies, focus it on the idiots. If you see someone making a
total ass of himself, let him know nicely. If that doesn't work, lay into him.
If that doesn't work, it means the guy is a total nutcase and all of the other
players will know what to exepect.
From : The Silent Giant
Subject : Quake2 ettiquette
*SNIP* *SNIP* *SNIPPETY* *SNIP* *SNIP*
This is too long, I know, and I probably won't get posted, but I had to send
in my two cents =).
Yes, good, no, and thank you. ;-)